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Balancing Life & Optimal Health with Kami Banks

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As an entrepreneur, coach, wife and mother of four, you'd think Kami had no time for her health.  Instead, Kami thrives in all of these roles BECAUSE of her commitment to her health.

In today's episode, Kami and I discuss the mindset needed to excel in both fitness and life among other things.  Plus, we talk about Kami’s signature program, The Fuelled Life 12-week Nutrition Course.

If you want to connect with Kami and learn more about here programs, here is how you can reach her: 

Kami Banks 

Gut Health Specialist & Nutritionist
Certified Life Coach
USAT triathlon coach (competitive triathlete for 25 years)
Founder of team elevate 

Instagram @kamibankscoaching
Website - kamibanks.com
Podcast - Beyond Your Comfort Zone

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Craig Spear:

Welcome to man in the Arena. This podcast is for men over 40 who want to master their health and weight loss goals once and for all, with innovative strategies, practical tools and insightful interviews. My goal is to help you overcome your limiting beliefs and achieve your optimal health. It's time to look good, feel good and do better. Hey guys, welcome to today's episode of man in the Arena podcast. I'm your host, craig Spear, and today we have an incredible guest joining us, cammie Banks.

Craig Spear:

Kami is a gut health specialist, a nutritionist and a certified life coach who brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to our conversation today. She's a USAT triathlon coach and a competitive triathlete for the past 25 years, and Kami has a deep understanding of what it takes to achieve peak performance and maintain optimal health, and that's why I wanted her on the episode today. In addition to her impressive professional credentials, Kami is the founder of Team Elevate, a community dedicated to helping individuals reach their highest potential. She's also a proud wife and a mother of four, and she balances her professional and personal life with remarkable grace and dedication. In this episode, we dive into the mindset needed to excel in both fitness and life, among other things. Plus, we talk about Kami's signature program, the Fueled Life 12-Week Nutrition Course. So if you're interested in learning more about Kami or her programs, don't hesitate to connect with her through her Instagram at Kami Banks Coaching or her podcast Beyond your Comfort Zone, and you can also find more about her and her work at her website, kamibanks. com.

Craig Spear:

So, without further ado, let's dive into our conversation with the amazing Kami Banks. Kami, I'm so excited to have you on as a guest. We've talked about this for so long, but now it's coming to reality, and so I'm very grateful that you're here to share your knowledge and your wisdom and your experience with all of the audience and the listeners. But how about we just start off by you kind of telling everybody a bit about who you are and your background and how you got into coaching?

Kami Banks:

Yeah, this is so fun to tell my story. I've been in the fitness exercise world since I graduated when I was in my 20s and I'm getting close to 50. So I've been doing this for a long time. But yeah, I started this. I've always just let me back you up a little bit. The reason why I think I've been into this before I was. I've been in the nutrition, health and wellness space for a long time and life coaching came in like a few years ago.

Kami Banks:

But I grew up in a family of eight kids and so six brothers, me and then my sister's 16 years younger, so we have but kids all the way up or all between me and my youngest sister. So we grew up like always around food, always being active, with all the brothers, and my mom was just always like, okay, how are we going to be healthy, how are we going to keep everyone healthy? Cause my brothers are all competitive athletes and so growing up like that was my thing. I I started an exercise program even when I was doing soccer and chair and track. I did my own exercise program when I was like 14. So it's definitely ingrained in me all the stuff, and so then I ran a wellness center. I did all these things. I was a personal trainer and then I had well, I didn't just have them all together, but I had four children. I got married, had four children and I still love that avenue. But I always knew there was something more to that, that I was just I would kind of get like hung up, like you'd work on their program, you'd work on their food, and it just wouldn't go anywhere. And so then in 2020, um, after, unfortunately, my mom passed away, I just like I knew like and I hadn't really been doing a lot with the nutrition and exercise space I've been competing myself as a competitive triathlete, but I hadn't really been coaching or anything like that and my mom passed away in 2019. And it was very devastating. She's like my best friend. She was like the role model why I got into all this kind of stuff.

Kami Banks:

So in 2020, in like February, I went to a conference. She's a life coach. Her name is Jodi Moore, but I went to hers and I was like this is the missing piece, like I need to bring this into my nutrition coaching and all this stuff. So I started County Makes Coaching.

Kami Banks:

I started a life coaching school in March and I started coaching in April, even when I was training, and so then it just came and then it's just kind of evolved and every time I'm like I don't know if I need to go all the way back to nutrition, I'll just stay with life coaching, cause that's really fun. Every single time I always go back to nutrition and like how important it is and how the staple of exercise in my life and that's where it's evolved to now. So it always, it always hones me back in and I just know and now I have tools, more tools with coaching and and all my background in exercise science and all this stuff, and so it's just been a beautiful evolution and I think the harder times in my life is what's created, like this change and where I'm at today. So it's kind of fun.

Craig Spear:

Yeah Well, you have this triple threat. Like you talk about the exercise piece, the nutrition piece, and now there's the other side of as well, the life coaching, the other tools that you have available for your clients. Right, like. So I agree. I mean, my background is very similar fitness, all my life athlete and going into the exercise and nutrition space, but not really understanding the other side of it, the importance of psychology and all those elements as well. So now you're completely full circle. You mentioned being a competitive triathlete. How many Ironmans have you done? And half Ironmans and marathons and all that like. Can you even like?

Kami Banks:

like is it an astronomical number now someone asked me the other day and I was like I don't even know the way I I could do it if I figured out I save all the racer, the race hats that you get from ironman. I think I'll be. I'll be doing boulder weekend, ironman 70.3, and I think it will be 30.

Craig Spear:

Halves and fulls Halves and fulls.

Kami Banks:

I think I wanted to say when I counted it was seven or eight fulls and the rest halves. But I've been doing this since I was 22, I believe In 1999, I was like. I remember reading an article in like Shave or Teen or I don't know.

Craig Spear:

I'm dating myself. I was like and this is an article in like- shape or teen or I don't know.

Kami Banks:

So I'm dating myself. I was like, and it's a, this is the best way to get fit, or whatever. I was like, do a triathlon. And I didn't really know how to swim I mean, I knew how to bike, kind of, but I was a runner. So I was like, all right, let's try this. And I remember my very first sprint triathlon coming out of the water I I was the last and luckily I can bike a little faster and run a little faster. So I wasn't the last one. But 20 years like forward, then I actually got my goal, cause when I when I saw the article, it was someone that had gone to the world championships in Kona and I was like, I'm going to do this and I had literally no idea what that meant. But 20 years later in like uh, what was it? 2019. I actually got you have to qualify qualify.

Kami Banks:

You have to. It used to be how to take first and second. Now I think they go a little deeper, but I was like I have to get first and luckily it was the same year my mom was passing away. But I took first and got to Kona and it just goes to show you like 20 years it took me to do that.

Craig Spear:

But you go all the way back. Like you know, I, I have a, you know a lot of listeners who will listen to this and they have an interest in doing something like an, a triathlon or an Ironman or half or a marathon, and there's always, when you're first starting anything, there's always a challenging part, right? So can you remember any anything that was a big challenge in your first marathon or Ironman, that humbled you or just led to some new insight that helped you as you continued? Like, I remember my first race and just some mistakes that I made, but maybe you could share, yeah.

Kami Banks:

Yeah, cause you've done triathlons as well, right, and I think that.

Craig Spear:

I've done triathlons, I've done one Ironman, so I can definitely yeah, but um yeah, I'd love, just to hear kind of what your experience was early on that that uh you know, shaped your your further races.

Kami Banks:

It's kind of weird when you think back, because probably the times that were the hardest are the things that actually kept me racing triathlon. So obviously, like I mentioned, I was the slowest getting out of the pool. That was like really hard for me because I knew that I was a better biker and runner. But it's really humiliating when you're like the last or you don't really know how to do it. So I think that really propelled me to try to get better. I took so many swim classes and I had so many like that. But then after that, like I realized it's the puzzle and you have to kind of put them together. But I think what kept me always going back with it is just, well, I ruminate when I don't do very good and I'm competitive, so I want to do good. But the times when I would like say I would finish and I would be like two seconds off from my goal or two seconds off from getting on the podium or whatever it was, I would ruminate. But that ruminating eventually, after I could calm my brain down, would actually get to a place of like what did I learn? What's something I can do better? What you know? What area was it? And I can stop like getting mad at myself and actually start looking at it. And then with triathlon or anything that's a multi-sport, you there's so many puzzle pieces and it's intriguing and it's exciting to be like okay, next time around I get to try this and figure this out.

Kami Banks:

And so I think, just through the years, like just trying to figure out I mean, it's a puzzle. And I think that the always trying to be like is there any way to get better? And you know also, people are, they have different goals. So some people's goal is never to like podium or to go to Kona, it just could be to finish.

Kami Banks:

And even that trying to figure out how to do that is it a way for ourselves to create, a way for us to see accomplishment, a way for us to see like, have a plan and be like how do we match this plan and how do we train and how does this work? And that keeps us, like I think, alive as adults, because we don't have a lot of things, always ways to achieve and excel. And for me, I think it just kept me vibrant. It kept me. It kept me vibrant, it kept me, kept me hungry to try to like figure out what I could do next, and I think those, probably the times that I didn't do my best, kept me in it, and so if you always just win and you're always doing good, it's not as there's not as much pull on you to figure it out. So I think trying for all those years really kept me, kept me humble and hungry, to like see what else?

Craig Spear:

Yeah, it's such a great lesson because health is like that too, like health isn't just this linear progression, as we all know, right? So it's a puzzle. You got to figure it out. What worked for somebody else might not work for the other person, and what worked for you this year might change next year. So it's always just you know, uh, trying to figure it out, and it doesn't matter if you're trying to become an elite triathlete or just finish like we're all in the same position, right? So that's that's really good perspective.

Kami Banks:

Um, and it's not linear. I just want to comment on that. Like so many people I know, you work around weight loss as well and health, and they think it's linear. And they also think, as in racing, they think there's a finish line. For some reason, I feel like they just think like I'm going to like do 25 pounds and that's the finish line, and we stop and I'm like, oh shoot, no, we don't.

Craig Spear:

It's not linear and there's not a stopping ground.

Kami Banks:

We're working on health. It's always something we're working on. I mean, once we get to maybe the 25 pound weight loss or we get to like a strength goal that we want, then it's that capacity we have now and we want to make that a lifestyle change. But then we go forward with that change and continue on and I I think people sometimes are surprised that they think, oh, I got to do this for the duration. You don't have to. It's only if you want to keep this healthy trajectory Right, right. So sorry what you're saying.

Craig Spear:

No, that's a great point. I mean, you've mentioned you have four kids, right? You're an entrepreneur, you're a coach, you're running your business and you're an elite level triathlete. How do you, you know, what can you offer in terms of advice for someone who is trying to balance their life and maybe not compete at high level, but even just find more time to exercise or eat healthier or improve their health overall? So anything that any tricks or tips that you have, or just a lifestyle that you figured out.

Kami Banks:

Yeah, it's interesting, I think, because sometimes we're like, oh my gosh, how do you figure out how to do this with your life so busy? And I often say like I couldn't do my life if I didn't do, and not necessarily like the competitive at such a high level, but I'm just saying to keep exercise and nutrition, vibrance and the like and the vitality I need to go forward. But for anyone, wherever we're starting, some people might not have ever had that in their life. They could be dabbled in it, they could have always done it. But as what I like to think is like, where where's my trajectory?

Kami Banks:

If I'm trying to live a healthy life, if I want to live an active, fit life, and that's my goal then I think forward and I plan backwards to be like what does that look like? What do I, what do I have to do in order to live an active, fit life? And it's the things we do daily, right, that make up going to do a race or or feeling good when we're in our skin, or feeling good and we put on the dress or the outfit we're on public. But we have to do that daily work and so what? I coach people on so much I'm like it's the consistency that we established by doing something over and over again and not doing it perfectly, but by showing up and doing it daily. And so if that is you walking for 10 minutes and getting used to that and then building from there, great.

Kami Banks:

If it's you running one hour and if it's you deciding to bring five fruits and vegetables into your food for this week and then you add six in, it seems maybe tedious and slow. Six in it seems maybe tedious and slow, but you build that over time and that's yours to keep. So, instead of thinking we have to not do anything from couch to go run at one hour, which never goes well, there's always lots of injury. I would never say to do that. And the thing is like going from drive-through to like making all your food fresh fruits and vegetables. That that's too big of a leap.

Kami Banks:

So I was like we got to know where we're at. We got to know what we can do Small steps. That pushes us a little bit, you know, pushes out of our comfort zone a little bit, but just enough to like we can still obtain it and it's still sustainable. And that's how we build that consistency that gives us the confidence to keep going. So my it's. So it sounds so trite and so people say it all the time, but I'm like it's literally just the small things you do that will bring a big result, and that starts with consistency and the courage to start building consistency.

Craig Spear:

Yeah, and I think some people have a hard time wrapping their head around that, like when you're performing at elite level. No, no, you must be like doing all these things. It's like, no, but I'm consistent.

Kami Banks:

Right.

Craig Spear:

You know, and, uh, I saw this or I heard this quote the other day that, um, you know this guy was talking about, like, what does it mean or take to be an Olympian? And he says it takes. It's, the difference is being able to do the boring things over and over and over again Right, and I think that's true Like not just Olympians, but elite level triathletes, um, and people who are just starting off, like you have to sort of I did an episode on this last week, but master the mundane, it's not. You know, we often look at success as this big, like you know, reward and this big. You know, we overcame this big challenge and it's not necessarily something big, it's just the little things that we do day to day, every day day.

Kami Banks:

Yeah, and people that doesn't maybe sound so fancy or whatever.

Craig Spear:

right it's not sexy, it's not exciting.

Kami Banks:

Yeah, I do remember when my husband was in medical school we were really poor and I remember saying I couldn't compete. At the time I had young children and I was like you know what I'm going to do. I'm going to do the things that I can choose and I'm do the small things and when it, when it, when it actually I can compete and do the things that I want to, I will, and that was just by choosing to eat healthy food. I'm like I won't eat romaine, I won't live on this like small. So I'm just saying, wherever we're at, we can make small choices that will in the longterm. And when I was done raising my kids to some extent, my husband wasn't like in residency and all this stuff then I had the capacity to do what I wanted to because I had built that foundation that started with small steps, which is trying to help work out.

Craig Spear:

So you saw the big picture.

Kami Banks:

Yeah, and that's hard to see the big picture sometimes, but to pull back and get a perspective like zoom out every once in a while, so then we can zoom in on those small things. I think it makes. I think it makes a big difference.

Craig Spear:

Yeah, so I don't want to pass up. Pass up this opportunity. Someone who's competed as many triathlons and races as you have and made it to Kona that's been finished first in the Ironman race. It's no small feat. Like, how do you prepare mentally for your races? Is there any uh sort of process that you go through? Is there any tools you use? Do you visualize, like, how do you get ready to perform at a high level?

Kami Banks:

Yeah, that's such an interesting question because, um, you know, throughout a lot of years I got such bad race anxiety and like it's sometimes debilitating if you don't manage it, and it would affect my race.

Craig Spear:

And you get very nervous before race.

Kami Banks:

Everything was anxious and even like even getting hotels and all that kind of stuff. It was just so anxious for me and then I would get literally physically kind of sick before a race because there's just so much Right. So I realized that that was an area I needed to work on, especially if I really wanted to qualify to go to Kona. So I and I'm life coaching to play into this, as I was getting, you know, the last like eight, six, six years of my training. But I do have to realize to pull back and I like to set my intention is like what am I doing this race for? Besides, you know, I like to have the accomplishment and I'm trying to win, but if I get so hung up on just the result or the outcome, I actually can't race as well. So the race, it was so cool. I mean I've had a lot of races where I've just literally got so anxious and I'm like in the lead and I can't even find the right turn and I'm in the wrong place, right, just things that your mind's just not thinking clear. But in the day the race that I did in Boulder, that's when I got my qualifier, it was I had found out, I had found out my mom had gotten ALS like three days before, and that's a prognosis that's actually incurable, so I knew that it was like basically a death sentence. Unfortunately. Unfortunately say that, but the reason I'm saying this is because that day when I raced, I raced, I put my mind in a place of like gratitude that I had the ability to move, because ALS actually takes your movement away and my mom actually lost her ability to speak, all the things because your motor neurons stopped working. But as I was racing, I kept picturing the fact that I I had the opportunity to still do this, like I could move my body. I was grateful to be here and this, like this was this is a gratitude race the whole time. So, as I was starting to get tired which is what you do and you get really discouraged just because it's a long day of racing Every time, I learned to just redirect to like you get to be here. Today, you have gratitude, like you're moving, your mom doesn't get to do this and, um, I've never felt a race like that where the fueling was coming from gratitude. Besides, I was filling with food and moving my body, but I was dealing with gratitude the whole time. So everyone's like what you're like, how are you doing? You know all my, all my teammates and stuff and I'm like I'm so happy to be here and I'm like a mile like 18 of the run, which you're now at like 130. Right, I'm like I can't believe I get to be here today and it just sounded really weird. But that and so that moving forward, so it's 2019. I got that and I've kept racing since.

Kami Banks:

But now when I show up to the races, like I can be at such a calmer place because I realized I can redirect that and instead of all the hype and all the nerve and there's so much unknown when you're racing a day like that, it's just like I call myself down and what control we can control. And then I always just want to go to a gratitude place, like if we get to move our body. Today there's so many people that can't, regardless if it's their choice or not their choice, and so a fueling with gratitude, letting my mind track to that, has been probably one of the biggest race things that has changed for me. That has been manifest in the actions, because when you have gratitude, you don't be like, oh my gosh, my mile is going down, it's going down and you get all negative and all that takes over and then you actually don't run very fast.

Craig Spear:

Right yeah.

Kami Banks:

Well, it's different energy, right? It's just completely different energy.

Craig Spear:

Yeah, well, it's different energy, right, it's just completely different energy. Yeah, I have a client who kind of discovered this very similar to what you're describing, where he would experience really intense food urges related to anxiety because he's a physician and he'd be performing surgeries and whatnot and very high anxiety. And so he discovered, like, what actually works best for him is this grounding gratitude, just makes him present, makes him very thankful, instead of the anxiety taking over, which, at that point, we're in fight or flight, we're not even able to process what we're experiencing. Right, make good decisions. So I think it's a fantastic uh insight, right, and so for you that that was a really great way for you to kind of transcend your performance, right.

Kami Banks:

Yeah, and I think what you're saying with food. I think it goes with food, like when we get in gratitude for the food that we're eating and we realize what food can do for us and the gratitude plays from that. It can work wonders. As far as putting whole food in versus processed food, that's not very far.

Craig Spear:

Yeah.

Kami Banks:

That's a conversation. I mean we can get into that too. But yeah, it works all the way across the board with our wellness journey, you know, and I think sometimes we don't realize the power of the mind to actually feel us into the action. And I was just working with a client today and I was just like you know, we can take action over and over again, but if we don't get to the root and realize where that's stemming from, we don't really ever get to make a lasting change. Because that's and that's what I learned when I started. I was like that's the missing piece when I worked with my clients, you know all those years ago. So yeah, it's pretty powerful.

Craig Spear:

So so, speaking of coaching and your clients and you've talked about consistency already, the importance of that and daily kind of changes and habits what other elements kind of comprise your overall coaching philosophy that we haven't touched on?

Kami Banks:

um, like, what are some of my like foundations or some of them off stuff like that yeah.

Kami Banks:

Um one that it's like really been so awesome lately, just mostly cause I see a lot of literature coming out and I'm like, oh, that's just what. I think it's great as we talk about a natural med model, um, and how to get this natural energy. So you know, being that I like to exercise, I do nutrition and I do life coaching, I'm like it's such a wholeness approach. So we do the natural meds, which the meds is an acronym, but it sounds it stands for. The M is um, mental or meditation, or mind work, mental fitness, right. And then E is exercise, d is diet, your food plan, your nutrition and then S I I love S because I just catch it all, but the S is sleep or recovery, and then it's sunlight or being out in nature. It's social, the connection that we get, and it's spiritual or the source, kind of like higher power that we need.

Kami Banks:

So I like to tell people and that's the foundation for what we do, because I'm like we can go in and do one little piece of the pie we could work on nutrition or we could only work on your mindset but these are natural meds that are given to us, not in a little pill bottle, not in a can. We like to drink all these energy drinks. It's natural energy that is gifted to all of us. It takes effort, yes, but when we start working on those and not all at once, but when we start working on those we see how we it does generate this energy that so many people feel like they're lacking this day and age, and so it is how I describe wellness, but it is how we get to this next level.

Kami Banks:

So we're always working on one entity of where that works, you know, and then I mean I have a nutrient dense, fast fuel formula plan that we follow, and then we also follow an ACE model, as of like. Where we're starting is the awareness of where we start, and how do we get to excellence is the A and E, and the C is the commitment and the consistency that I was just talking about. So we have three foundations that are really I mean, they're the foundations of Chem Against Code and Z-Melvay, but and I mean, it's not like I made them up so much, as I just put them in formulas, because they're just natural, they're universal.

Craig Spear:

It's really funny, though I'm smiling, because my philosophy has always been men's health and my acronym is men's. It's the exact same as yours, except the N is nutrition.

Kami Banks:

Wait so wait. I mean, I was probably already heard it from you, but what so, go through it with me, that's so, I mean men's health.

Craig Spear:

Men's health instead of meds, mindset, exercise, nutrition and sleep and that sort of thing.

Kami Banks:

So yours is meds, but yeah, that's what I'm saying Like it's so, it's universal. However, we want to put it together in some sort of format. That's so funny.

Craig Spear:

But to your point, like, like natural medicine, that we've been gifted these kind of natural meds. And reality is like we all possess this pharmacy within our bodies, that when we align it with certain behaviors and lifestyle, we get the benefit of that chemistry in our body. And I think that doesn't get talked about enough in in, you know, health and science industry, or fitness industry, I should say.

Kami Banks:

But you know, Peter talks about it in his book, which I love, and um, another good book, in case anyone cares about reading on your podcast, which I'm sure they do, but another good one that's talking about this. This natural medicine is, um I'm going to just show you a picture, but Casey means she's kind of new in the mainstream.

Craig Spear:

Oh yes.

Kami Banks:

But her and outlive they're like I love that literature because they're in mainstream and they're talking about what we're talking about and I think people just don't realize we have it. We have that inside of us, in nature, the capacity to tap into it, and we just oftentimes we leave a lot on the table.

Craig Spear:

Well, there's competing factors. Ultimately right Money to be made.

Kami Banks:

Competing factors, as in the comfort crisis. Have you read that book by Michael Easter? That's the competing factor. I mean everyone wants to be in comfort and if you want to be in comfort, most of the time it's those factors. Don't factor in, because it does take effort.

Craig Spear:

Yeah, those are the factors that get sort of. They're contrary, ultimately.

Kami Banks:

Exactly, yeah. So it's not like anyone's abnormal if they don't want to do them.

Craig Spear:

It's more than normal not to, but it's exciting to think it's a possibility to tap into those my audience people listening to this to be able to connect with you, and I think you've got a program starting in September which is mainly fueled around like nutrition, and maybe you can give us some more background as to what that's going to entail.

Kami Banks:

Yeah, I would love to we. So we currently have a team L of eight right now, where it's a group of, basically, moms that you know we're trying, we're trying to do all the natural meds, but we all have to keep trying. Moms that you know we're trying, we're trying to do all the natural meds, but we all have to keep trying. But, um, but this is fun because this is open up to everyone and it's our 12 week nutrition program.

Kami Banks:

Men and women. It's the fueled life nutrition program, and it's just cool because it's kind of all the things that I've been coaching team elevate for four years now, and so it's, um, a compilation of all the things, and so we're going to do a lot of the tool foundations that I talked about. We're going to build that base. For the first month we're going to have, like you know, shopping lists and all that kind of stuff to kind of start getting used to it. But then in the second month we actually will do a 30 day challenge with I'm a gut health specialist as well. So we we definitely figured, we definitely focused on that, and I'm a nutritionist, so all of that, all we'll have shopping lists, we'll have like recipes, we'll have all that inside there to really dive, take a deep dive for that 30 days. And then the last month is like, well, okay, we're not going to stay in the 30 day challenge the rest of our life. So how do we actually apply that to our life?

Craig Spear:

Transition that to the day-to-day.

Kami Banks:

Transition to, like, social settings, transition it to vacations because we're going to finish right before Thanksgiving, so and holidays, and how does that look? And how do we? How do we take what we've learned and actually apply it to real life? And that's kind of what it looks like, and then all the different tools and all that we have. And it's a small group. So I'm really excited because I just think, you know, we can know things, but we actually will be taking it into practice and taking the action to it and we'll meet once a week via zoom and just kind of like check in and the accountability, but just diving in, you know, like that's where you 10 X is when you take some action and that's where you get movement. So not, so that'd be fun.

Craig Spear:

So I love it. Sign me up.

Kami Banks:

I'm intrigued, I'll be open up to the whole public because team is just like it's already closed. But yeah. Let's go. I was just saying sign me up that sounds really intriguing.

Craig Spear:

Um, yeah, so uh, Kami, I this has been a phenomenal experience. It's been so lovely just to connect with you and talk to you, learn more about your philosophy and your experience and, um, no doubt I know the listeners have taken something away as well. I I don't know if I froze, but, um, I was just thanking, was just thanking you and saying I'm so grateful that you were able to jump on and share your insight, your experience with us. So thank you so much for being here.

Kami Banks:

Yeah, I loved it. Thank you so much for having me.

Craig Spear:

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